There is nothing clever about bringing more people. Over 500k EHP for a simple bulkheaded obelisk is unacceptable.

Maybe burn jita should be brought forward.

Easily acceptable changes. Everyone all around gets buffed, and some of my fits have to be tweaked harder on my Alt to kill in Hi-sec. Let em cry Fozzie, this games always been adapt or die. Even with an increase of cost per freighter gank profit margins will still be high as long as you pick the right targets. As of current meta, Kill em all and laugh to the bank.

I do so love how the other gankers.. I mean "low risk Pirates", are all crying over this change.

Except that isn't balance. It's just straight up making ganking 50% harder.

That isn't balance. Which is exactly why so many carebears are defending it, because they hate game balance. Game balance would actually be bad, sloppy, lazy play being appropriately punished with death. And since carebears are not real players and therefore all they are capable of is bad, sloppy, lazy play, they despise game balance.

For someone claiming you've read a lot about CODE, you weren't really paying attention.

They're in highsec because otherwise risk would be nonexistent for miners and haulers.

Now, I know you're an entitled sow who thinks you're special and should be able to pretend like other people don't exist, but that isn't the reality of it.




EVE lost, not us. We've been winning for going on two years now.

Anyone who starts out as an entitled, whiny, selfish little prick isn't useful to any game.

You're just parasites.

I don't think you understand what is meant by "carebears". It really does not mean "Players who do non-PvP things".

You mean someone like me and my friends, who build many of the ships we fly (hence the industrialist and hauling activities), live in W-space, hunt there and in nullsec/lowsec, fighting people who can actually fight back, often outnumbered and outgunned and having a blast doing it? Or do you mean kids bragging about "creating content" by shooting defenseless freighters in highsec?

And even if somebody wants to play EVE as pure industrialists like some of our older members, or heck, even as Farmville in Space, your opinion of them still does not matter. Their game, their choice. They don't need gankers, but gankers need them. End of story.

I guess gankers will just have to come up with more bros and higher DPS fits.

I pity those capitol ship producers who will have to take a price cut when the supply/demand causes Freighter prices to drop. They are the real victims here.

Wrong as always.

Since they have zero risk in their gameplay, they would never die in highsec without us.

Industry players make a tidy profit off of catalyst hulls, T2 blasters, and freighters/parts from us.

It's only the entitled and the lazy who have a problem with us. Which are you?

You should look at the margin on freighters. Their price increase was from minerals.

Why should good haulers and other industrialists like myself lose out at all?

The glass is half full for me.

They've made it clear that they don't want my business. That frees up enough money for me to buy The Division in a few weeks. The beta was really fun, like I haven't seen in a shooter since Gears of War.




No, because I can actually do basic math.

Slightly increased likelihood of getting the loot with an AG moron in the system does not offset a 50% increase in overhead operating costs.

As such, our target range has shrunk by as much as 80% if we are interested in a profit.

This of course incentivizes people like CODE or possibly the Russians who will gank anything in the freighter class for lulz, because they get their funding elsewhere. If you can't make a profit, might as well cause a scene.

And of course the larger proportion of empty freighters being ganked will be seen as evidence by carebears like you that ganking needs to be nerfed once again. When the root of the problem is and always has been the unreasonable restrictions and punitive mechanics you want placed against people rather than you just learning to play the game correctly.




It's not. If you don't know that you're a moron, and if you're not a moron you're a liar.

wow you really have no clue.

Not only will freighter prices drop from lower demand, but if mineral prices also drop, freighter prices will suffer again because their mineral cost is the only thing keeping them up at this point. You just said yourself, they used to be cheaper. You have to bulk build them at a POS to get any decent margin out of them.

And seeing as the people making freighters in hi-sec are not the same people making carriers and dreads in low sec, then no, there wont be room to make profit there, its a very different industry.

There was plenty of ways already to haul and mine very safely and earn isk. Making the game even safer than now chips away at the margins of industrialists and overwhelmingly favours the dumb and lazy.

A bunch of selected lines pulled and completely ignored my whole argument. A bunch of whiny stuff about how CCP used to be tough and make people adapt.

Lol, he says knowing nothing about me or the groups i'm with. The irony of saying im the one seeking complete safety and should quit trying to play solo after you said EVE should have solo safe activities. I'm aware i can adapt. We all know it wouldn't be the first time. Ive accepted CCP want to make this change, but that doesn't mean i have to let you spout total BS.

And that's exactly the problem here.

That they have completely thrown away the concept of player freedom in highsec.




Because you don't get to dictate what other people find noteworthy about the changes made in the thread?

[edit: Oh, and because that was all hashed out in the reddit thread about this a few hours after the change was posted, by people who can actually do basic math.